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hello Gary hi thanks for having us

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pleasure it's been a absolute honor to

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meet you I know you've been working for

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many many years in UFO fields would you

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like to tell us well exactly how it all

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started for you as a researcher yeah be

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pleased to bring us a child 819

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something in that area as to take the

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Eagle comic we're done there in it

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science fiction of course but look into

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the future in the hope that we would one

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day go into space and then this amazing

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day a newspaper came through the

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letterbox and it was about to dance cool

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famous Adamski who claimed to have meet

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met aliens in the desert and so on

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absolutely fascinated me as a child and

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I got interested in UFOs and long Bo we

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have to beat different articles appeared

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in magazines and things and I started

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collecting them so he could say it was

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really investigated since it was about

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nine or ten properly I've still got

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those original cuttings that I had going

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back to the fifties believes tonight my

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wife is very pleased that I've got the

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house full of stuff like that is really

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much but I've never actually seen

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anything myself other than the of light

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in the sky couldn't explain until there

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you know about 1960 something without my

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fires I can't really give you accurate

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of dates from happen to decide to go

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into the local pub no I hadn't been

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drinking yet this is before we went so

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walking up the road of my next-door

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neighbor I noticed that his gaze

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suddenly changed I think I should point

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out here that it was perfectly light it

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was evening but light but it wasn't

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bright sunshine it was dope the

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visibility is absolutely perfect and all

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of a sudden his gaze turned and I turned

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to look in the same direction

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and overt all left we could see a row of

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counselor versus semi-detached terraces

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and we were because we were walking up a

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hill this is in maqam in South Wales

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I think it's called westerly you and as

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we were 3/4 the way up we were then

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higher than the roofs of these houses

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and I was astonished to see not one but

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two objects that were coming towards us

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but parallel to us on the road and with

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an air laughter for something you could

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probably ping the distance is not that

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great I don't know whether I could quite

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through a stoma for brief these not fall

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short and what was amazing it's the

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objects weren't up in the sky way they

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would actually that I level with us and

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I'd worked it out because they were

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traveling over the top of these the apex

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of these houses that they were little

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over 15 foot at the most and possibly a

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lot less I would I did they were going

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to knock at the adults off the chimneys

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it really really was so close

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what was a-standing about it is that

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these two perfect discs didn't appear to

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wobble or move in any direction they

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were absolutely perfectly leveled and

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they were traveling at such a slow speed

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you could easily a walk quicker than

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these things extremely slow there was no

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movement in any direction they didn't

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appear to be spinning they seemed to be

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static at first I thought they were

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stationary but they weren't actually

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moving but they seemed to be sliding on

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an invisible Plata class I have the same

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only way I can describe it to you where

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as you'd expect some kind of different

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movement in the but they were perfect

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and the distance between them remained

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absolutely like like that again there

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was an invisible block between them and

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it they just carried our movie and we

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stood there absolutely transfixed I was

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my neighbor he was interested

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but I couldn't believe its lack of

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enthusiasm because I was absolutely

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jumping up and down really and we

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watched them until in the end they were

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obscured by the houses that were you

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know lower down on the hill how long's

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didn't go well each one as they went

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over the top of a pair of 70 - services

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roughly was either the width or more

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just over but they were moving but I

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think they were just over the width of a

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pair of sandy touch noses so they've got

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to be 44 plus I'm a thinker what shape

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do you see absolutely perfect disks now

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just the best example I can give you of

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this is if you think of a brass music

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symbol hmm that's exactly the shape that

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they were they came to a really key

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sharp edge the capoeira for whatever you

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want to call it the dimple in the middle

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was only very slight it wasn't some you

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know turn it on the top of Windows a

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neighbor like that in it in fact there

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were no windows of any kind on it there

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were no marks of any kind on it there

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were no evidence of any kind

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there was no tail fin or anything like

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that with nothing there were just

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perfect disks sliding across the sky

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right in front of me in broad daylight

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what color Willy the same color the only

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way can describe the co they were great

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but the color is best described as fair

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light as you'd get in a pencil pencil

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they're graphite graphite yeah exactly

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the same it's not because you said you

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were looking down on it you couldn't see

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the other I couldn't see anything at all

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below the rim but I thought that I could

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see a faint bluish purplish aise just

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just at the bottom but I could have been

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you know I could be wrong there simply

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because I'm I was so desperate to see

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something but like I'm not certain

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whether there was but I thought I could

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see a very faint how long were you them

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right that's a very good question what

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year was it yes that's better I think it

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was about 65 or something like that but

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if I got all my notes out to know that

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exactly my memory by the way was not as

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good as it used to be and that sort of

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kick-started your interest in the

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subject

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no no I'd already been investigating the

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subject for years so in fact my family

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thought it was a complete nutcase

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because I devoted so much time and

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interest in it but this was something

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different

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this wasn't a light in the sky that had

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seemed previously there or any of these

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other things this was something

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absolutely definitely real physical and

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out there now most people when I tell

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them this it was obviously some kind of

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stealth aircraft or some kind of secret

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military thing absolutely rubbish and

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anybody that says that to me I had no

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time at all to spend with them because

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it's nonsense they do not have right

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they did not have any kind of vertical

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takeoff and land aircraft they did not

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have anything that and they still do not

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have any kind of aircraft that can

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travel at less than a walking pace

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without stalling and had this been any

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kind of aircraft using the air but it

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would have had to press the air down to

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of what looked like fantastically heavy

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objects then it would affect the tiles

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and the roofs of the houses there's no

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doubt about that in my mind and the

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sound would have been absolutely

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definitely to produce that much

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downdraft was there any Sun at all not

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at all not at all it was a still evening

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and there was hardly any traffic at all

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in fact I don't remember anything

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passing me at all although it could have

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happened so it was really quiet

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listening I'm looking no lights no marks

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nothing at all and that did it for me I

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knew that then despite all of the new

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theories about you know mental things

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listen a physical object and it's got to

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be extraterrestrial and all these years

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later we still do not have any kind of

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aircraft that can simulate what these

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things did we obviously had a very clear

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view of the object you said he was in

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daylight in there yeah

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rather than that light no reason it was

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like to see dis to debt which is a great

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great light right but absolutely perfect

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there been anything to see I would have

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seen it right I know you told me earlier

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that the whole life's time to be

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dedicated you obviously were for one

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other paranormal and anything that's a

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mystery because obviously when you get

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equipment to do one thing it will come

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in to do another thing and quite often

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some of the equipment is used in in

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different kinds of but the truth is if

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you've got a secret and a mystery right

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then I want to know what the answer is

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if 40 Birds fall off a telegraph pole in

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Illinois this afternoon I want to know

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why some people you know they're happy

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that it

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it's an occurrence not me yeah I don't

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know yeah yeah so you told me earlier as

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well that you've got a really included

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is it in line that's obvious and you do

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take a scientific starts do not jump to

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conclusions you very objective and you

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have to you look for evidence yeah and

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in your mind do you think there's any

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the extra-terrestrial hypothesis as an

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answer to UFOs is that quite obviously

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not all UFOs or an extraterrestrial I

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will accept that straight away in fact I

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would think that the percentage must be

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so microscopic and our job to actually

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record it but I do believe at the end of

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the day there are just a few real UFOs

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at what I call real UFOs there we're not

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an unidentified flying object but

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obviously an extraterrestrial vehicle

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and believe wholeheartedly that these

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people are coming here right and in all

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the years that you've been looking at it

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not just that what in Wales but across

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the world you keep you tabs on this a

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lot of things across the world Oh

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in Wales specifically what case or

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incident the stands opening your veil

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Rob that you've looked at one or two

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standout

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actually was another one it's Sophie

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laughs I'll tell you this first my wife

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and I my wife used to work in CAF Italy

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and I used to go up and pick her

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and evening you know when she'd finished

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and come back so it's doing the Rosco

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noble father blockage and we're coming

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out to Philly and the bright sunny

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evening

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and the traffic is oh it used to be a

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rendus to just a you know that short bit

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until you got to where that their state

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is and the idea what you are we looking

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at them this will be in contest late

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seventies again if I got soaked

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I've got thirst as a record we got

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records out I could tell you the exact

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day but I can't believe we'll find out

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that they do and what happened was we

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were stuck in this traffic nose-to-nose

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moving shunting forward to get over to

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that little bit of hold up that you get

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just out to affiliate finishing time and

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I looked ahead and I could see two white

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dots in the sky at extremely low level

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just don't give thought of 200 feet off

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the ground at the most coming towards us

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but over on our right hand side over the

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estate because it just be feels and then

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this state is named love it I can't

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remember the name of it now it's a very

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very famous place gallery win or lose

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they take on one direction the only

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estates I know a horse it Park Moritz of

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Meadows Masri Park once we pop customers

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that's where I grew up is definitely the

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one trust between the road I've seen

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some stuff from there myself so I can

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tell me right away there is crafts or

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lights or orbs definitely around that

281
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well this is coming towards it's not

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actually over lunch real estate it's

283
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over the the green out here if you like

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but apparently running power let's not

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come into Denver roads

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parallel to us and it's over there on

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the right and jokingly I say to my wife

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and by the ways being under her family

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at Temple non-believers in this I might

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you know during my call T days my father

291
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notice they would read me on a regular

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basis on he used to say to me I've

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worked at Longhorn steelworks and all

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this so every night wish to do night

295
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shifts and everything and we'd never

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seen anything isn't that funny

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all I'm I was over there after he died

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subtly one wound steelworks oh my gosh

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produced the UFO over the steelworks

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then they whoa so this is Shane Jamie

301
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wasn't here today to see it but there we

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are

303
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anyway we were coming down the road and

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we see two bright very bright like we

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described as LEDs now you know that kind

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of light bear in mind this is in the

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daylight yeah and they were really

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really bright considering but took pin

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dots and they come in two other jokingly

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I say to my dear wife Christine say they

311
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are told it was UFOs and she looks up

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all yes I do know is it's two lights

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with the sky coming towards it

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so I'm joking I shunt a bit further

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forward now this seems to moving

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extremely slowly again overcome it

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getting nearer obviously when it gets

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sort of much closer I could see a black

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disc in between the two lights it's just

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a black disc and the two lights are on

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the front of it so now I'm getting

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excited I'm trying to not to run into

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the car in front you know you move with

324
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that nice bubbly you're in danger of a

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collision but I'm trying to avoid that

326
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and I'm still trying to watch this thing

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at the same time my wife's excited you

328
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know and I'm thinking this this is a

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it's a light aeroplane with this landing

330
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lights on white would have landing

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lights on in the daytime Overland Street

332
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Park I have no idea but that's what I

333
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thought it was awful no anyway it's like

334
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when it got almost level with us I could

335
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clearly see it was a black disc like a

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walls in shape

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there was no tail fin on it and there

338
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were no wings on it it was just a

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perfect disc again it wasn't rotating I

340
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think no lights weren't rotated just the

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two lights were right you know

342
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straight forward but they were extremely

343
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thin they weren't shining like a beam it

344
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was more like two laser light you know

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there were two dots and it was a the

346
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light was unusual let's put it that way

347
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if a car LED light you could tell with

348
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the weight the shape of the light if you

349
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might but but this they put two really

350
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piercing dots on it and it slowly got

351
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level dead level with us and I'm trying

352
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to stop the car now at this point

353
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by the way the pavements is about a foot

354
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high right and I am trying to get the

355
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car onto the pavement I've got people

356
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behind tilting me and giving me your

357
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unorthodox or traffic signals because

358
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they're everybody's trying to you know

359
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get out so I managed to get the car up

360
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this pavement they don't quite know how

361
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early on the tremendous angle and a SATA

362
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might get out to the car love get out of

363
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the car

364
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as you know so she's struggling to get

365
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out and I'm now trying to climb over the

366
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guy can't get my side because the

367
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traffic is edging past me you know very

368
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very close and nobody's happy with it

369
00:16:03,660 --> 00:16:01,390
but I'm honestly got over the gear

370
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sticks I think I like to fight this door

371
00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:05,380
and get out onto the pavement I'm stood

372
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now and it's absolutely dead level with

373
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us and it's just there hovered not

374
00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:12,640
awfully but moving very very very slowly

375
00:16:19,290 --> 00:16:16,930
over lunch we pork fields and going

376
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towards carefully where the Sun was

377
00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:25,000
setting and annoyingly a week before I'd

378
00:16:30,810 --> 00:16:28,090
taken out an SLR camera that I carried

379
00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:30,820
continuously with film on it because we

380
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had frosty weather and being ignorant of

381
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the fact I thought the frost would

382
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damage the camera all the film quite the

383
00:16:42,690 --> 00:16:40,090
contrary they believed in it it would

384
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have been treated him better so I taken

385
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:44,650
the camera out so I'm stood I'm an

386
00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:47,440
investigator a UFO investigator stood

387
00:16:52,140 --> 00:16:50,050
looking at the daylight sighting right

388
00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:52,150
up within a short distance of me unable

389
00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:54,730
to take a photograph of it but when I

390
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:56,740
got home I immediately got a pen and

391
00:17:04,350 --> 00:16:59,920
paper and drew sketches of exactly what

392
00:17:07,439 --> 00:17:04,360
I saw and undoubtedly this is a flying

393
00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:07,449
saucer again I would swear that we've

394
00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:10,230
got nothing that would you know equal it

395
00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:14,260
about two weeks later a newspaper

396
00:17:19,890 --> 00:17:17,380
article occurred some businessman inked

397
00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:19,900
a filly had seen what he described this

398
00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:22,390
dustbin lid at the same time traveling

399
00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:25,390
over carefully and he believed it was a

400
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:29,250
uni as well so that'll be in my record

401
00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:42,879
but the question that you asked me was

402
00:17:48,009 --> 00:17:45,769
what it was the highlight of all this

403
00:17:51,580 --> 00:17:48,019
6070 years of research that I've done

404
00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:51,590
yeah and it was on this amazing occasion

405
00:17:56,619 --> 00:17:54,470
I've got a UFO group and we were

406
00:17:59,529 --> 00:17:56,629
operating in decide which is along the

407
00:18:00,999 --> 00:17:59,539
coast from here yeah and that the Daily

408
00:18:04,450 --> 00:18:01,009
Express I think it was a national

409
00:18:08,529 --> 00:18:04,460
newspaper produced an article and it

410
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:08,539
said strange debris from the sky so

411
00:18:14,110 --> 00:18:11,690
obviously my ears perked up at that

412
00:18:16,090 --> 00:18:14,120
point because strange debris doesn't

413
00:18:18,210 --> 00:18:16,100
fall from the sky on every day I mean we

414
00:18:21,730 --> 00:18:18,220
get space debris and the like I suppose

415
00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:21,740
so I thought right I read on and it said

416
00:18:30,129 --> 00:18:25,750
farmer Ervil goes out in the morning

417
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:30,139
and he finds tin foil what he thinks is

418
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:33,679
like cooking foil and pieces of what

419
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:35,450
looked like shattered glass which turned

420
00:18:42,820 --> 00:18:39,200
out to be metal spread over four fields

421
00:18:44,409 --> 00:18:42,830
and these are massive fields so the

422
00:18:48,490 --> 00:18:44,419
morning medicines of Roswell that look

423
00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:48,500
well you've got it there change farmer

424
00:18:53,710 --> 00:18:51,110
for rancher and you've read them the

425
00:18:55,779 --> 00:18:53,720
same story it's exactly the same store

426
00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:55,789
services in worth but this is in Wales

427
00:19:02,590 --> 00:18:58,960
this is vanilla and the elaborate layer

428
00:19:04,149 --> 00:19:02,600
so I'm reading this and I thought I've

429
00:19:06,850 --> 00:19:04,159
generally thought was reading Roswell

430
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,860
because it was so like it so he gathered

431
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:08,960
a few pieces up and looked after and

432
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:12,080
then he ran the police the police

433
00:19:17,879 --> 00:19:15,679
arrived and walked around and said my

434
00:19:21,610 --> 00:19:17,889
goodness she bought a plane crash

435
00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:21,620
so with that they contacted the RAF

436
00:19:28,930 --> 00:19:25,519
crotch retrieval people and they trauma

437
00:19:31,210 --> 00:19:28,940
afternoon guys turned up from the RAF

438
00:19:32,830 --> 00:19:31,220
cross retrieval and he's walking around

439
00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:32,840
these fields and he's showing them these

440
00:19:36,249 --> 00:19:34,370
pieces some of these pieces by the way

441
00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:36,259
they look like shattered glass were as

442
00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:39,769
big as six foot so we're talking sizable

443
00:19:44,740 --> 00:19:41,960
pieces but hundreds of small stuff and

444
00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:44,750
this unusual foil spread over a great

445
00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:47,960
distance also one of his fields is

446
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:50,100
bounded by a wood cops of next

447
00:19:54,590 --> 00:19:52,650
makes trees and you could clearly see

448
00:19:57,049 --> 00:19:54,600
that something had gone right through

449
00:19:59,090 --> 00:19:57,059
the top of the trees shearing the tops

450
00:20:01,789 --> 00:19:59,100
of them and scattered twigs and branches

451
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:01,799
in a straight line right across a field

452
00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:03,450
you could see all the twigs and stuff

453
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,710
across the field so the crash retrieval

454
00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:09,120
people were saying to him as they walk

455
00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:10,860
around the bear in mind these are

456
00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:14,700
experts this is not an aeroplane they've

457
00:20:21,140 --> 00:20:19,289
never seen anything like it so far we'll

458
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:21,150
look obviously was quite surprised at

459
00:20:24,049 --> 00:20:21,630
that

460
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:24,059
and they searched everywhere expecting

461
00:20:29,330 --> 00:20:27,210
to find that engines or other

462
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:29,340
identifiable parts but they couldn't

463
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,010
find anything to identify it with it's

464
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:34,559
all more of the same thing yeah whatever

465
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:37,679
this was it had hit the trees that the

466
00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:41,970
forest shed enormous amounts of its self

467
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:44,700
and material and yet managed to fly away

468
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:47,340
again which is incredible given the

469
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:50,490
amount of stuff that was deposited and

470
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:55,919
so later on more people arrived Ministry

471
00:21:00,529 --> 00:20:58,799
of Defense and they set up I think with

472
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:00,539
caravans and police knows what an

473
00:21:06,409 --> 00:21:03,510
equipment in his own words oral said

474
00:21:08,779 --> 00:21:06,419
it's like a scene straight out to James

475
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:08,789
Bond he said they're putting up all

476
00:21:14,779 --> 00:21:11,850
these mobile floodlights around his area

477
00:21:17,659 --> 00:21:14,789
that cordoned it all off obviously the

478
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:17,669
question him about it and everything and

479
00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:19,980
so they went about their business and

480
00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:22,169
eventually you know mid man so murder

481
00:21:26,899 --> 00:21:24,809
will decide he will go to bed and say we

482
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:26,909
get on in the morning he was astonished

483
00:21:32,419 --> 00:21:29,340
he got up in the morning and all the men

484
00:21:35,539 --> 00:21:32,429
all the equipment have disappeared but

485
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,549
more than that every tiny scrap of the

486
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:37,200
material over four fields had

487
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:39,929
disappeared as well from all of it he

488
00:21:43,940 --> 00:21:42,570
couldn't find anything Lucas he may in

489
00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:43,950
the daylight he couldn't find out the

490
00:21:49,490 --> 00:21:47,190
fields were full of it and so that's how

491
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:49,500
this article was reported exactly as

492
00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:52,799
I've told you and I'm stuck reading it

493
00:21:58,020 --> 00:21:56,340
I'm thinking my goodness this is this is

494
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,030
Rosco

495
00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:01,360
so straightaway around the guy up found

496
00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:03,100
his number and I rang him and I said

497
00:22:08,970 --> 00:22:06,160
there's a young young farmer a nice man

498
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,980
really really Pleasant and helpful I

499
00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:10,960
said would you mind if I came down with

500
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:13,660
a group of people and interviewed you

501
00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:15,850
about it and we had to look not at all

502
00:22:21,870 --> 00:22:19,480
he said so we arrived at his farm and he

503
00:22:24,570 --> 00:22:21,880
very kindly walked us out we stood by

504
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:24,580
this gate he said see from this gate the

505
00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:26,530
four fields over there and as far as you

506
00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:29,800
could see the vast area said that was

507
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:31,660
covered with this foil than these metal

508
00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:34,210
parts and he he explained the exactly

509
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:35,860
what I've told you and what was in the

510
00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:39,850
newspaper very accurately so I said well

511
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:41,500
would you mind if we search and see if

512
00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:43,210
we can find any of this material so you

513
00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:44,500
saw up yourself he said well I've not

514
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:47,140
found any since they left so we searched

515
00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:49,450
and I needn't tell you that the other

516
00:22:54,510 --> 00:22:52,360
several guys that I had with me got fed

517
00:22:58,530 --> 00:22:54,520
up very quickly because we couldn't find

518
00:23:01,800 --> 00:22:58,540
anything yeah nobody was no more upset

519
00:23:04,830 --> 00:23:01,810
about it than me then I had this idea I

520
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:04,840
said if it had hit those trees over

521
00:23:09,570 --> 00:23:07,570
there you know and they'd searched at

522
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:09,580
night it must be extremely difficult or

523
00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:11,290
almost impossible for them to have

524
00:23:16,170 --> 00:23:13,630
recovered every bit of it in a forest at

525
00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:16,180
night we ought to concentrate our search

526
00:23:23,310 --> 00:23:20,560
on the wood so with that off we go

527
00:23:25,860 --> 00:23:23,320
but it was wrong at all before started

528
00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:25,870
to find small pieces of it and even some

529
00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:28,590
quite bigger pieces stuck in trees and

530
00:23:32,850 --> 00:23:31,390
where the wood was it did not any

531
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:32,860
difficulty in finding where to look

532
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,310
because it was this 50 foot wide sheer

533
00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:39,280
off the top of all the trees glaring it

534
00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:41,110
staring you in the eyes there you know

535
00:23:44,940 --> 00:23:42,520
it's all they gonna do is follow that

536
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:44,950
line basically so how soon after the

537
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:47,050
incident well it was a week after the

538
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:48,850
incident so you may on a week after ya

539
00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:50,410
know it's a week after the incident that

540
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:52,660
the article appeared in the newspaper I

541
00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:54,790
think and then it was probably a week

542
00:23:59,850 --> 00:23:57,190
after that before we were able to go

543
00:24:04,170 --> 00:23:59,860
there so you're talking January 83 thank

544
00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:04,180
you I think so yes December 8 to another

545
00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:06,100
should I be satya with these files oh do

546
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,990
you think yes I should I rather for

547
00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:08,960
density Oh

548
00:24:16,090 --> 00:24:11,720
yeah okay well I'll present them to you

549
00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:16,100
right so what happened then was I said

550
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:17,990
right now I understand the mate I did

551
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:20,690
take some equipment with me and we use

552
00:24:26,110 --> 00:24:23,450
that to affect butter I will tell you

553
00:24:28,060 --> 00:24:26,120
now that there was no radiation no

554
00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:28,070
that's one of the things were able to do

555
00:24:32,649 --> 00:24:29,390
on-site it wasn't there were no

556
00:24:36,220 --> 00:24:32,659
radiation to it so we knew was safe you

557
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:36,230
know to handle the pieces we part and we

558
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:38,450
left the last thing I said to her well

559
00:24:43,450 --> 00:24:40,130
this would you mind if we come back

560
00:24:45,850 --> 00:24:43,460
again with more people and more

561
00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:45,860
equipment you know I didn't have a metal

562
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:47,720
detector with me at the time yeah so

563
00:24:51,789 --> 00:24:49,610
obviously that was something I plan to

564
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:51,799
take the next time metal detectors and a

565
00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:53,960
group of people than and so on he said

566
00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:55,460
not a problem at all

567
00:24:59,470 --> 00:24:57,830
shortly before I was due to go I thought

568
00:25:01,779 --> 00:24:59,480
it was a day before or very very close

569
00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:01,789
to the time we would you to go I had a

570
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,340
phone call here and it says hello I

571
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:06,080
would say this is oval you know you're

572
00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:09,049
coming down to do this you know see if

573
00:25:13,899 --> 00:25:11,630
we can find anything else said yes he

574
00:25:16,269 --> 00:25:13,909
said well you're still welcome to come

575
00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:16,279
but I've got to tell you that you

576
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:20,029
probably be wasting your time said why

577
00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:21,440
is that because more geared up now

578
00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:23,750
obviously we're all raring to go he said

579
00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:25,070
because I said I'm looking through the

580
00:25:32,409 --> 00:25:27,380
window he said they're taking the trees

581
00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:32,419
away some said what he said because

582
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:36,700
people out there taking the trees away

583
00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:40,250
so immediately I rang the Forestry

584
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:41,480
Commission find out where the

585
00:25:45,789 --> 00:25:42,890
headquarters and turn loads in Holly

586
00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:45,799
head and they get a guy on the end of

587
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,470
the phone and say I think I've been

588
00:25:53,529 --> 00:25:50,960
passed up the line of it before somebody

589
00:25:56,289 --> 00:25:53,539
would talk to me and said I believe that

590
00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:56,299
you're taking trees away from Manila can

591
00:26:02,049 --> 00:25:59,450
you tell me why and I can almost hear

592
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,059
this guy sort of not laughing but but I

593
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:04,880
can tell this that this look thinks it's

594
00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:07,640
very humorous and he says well their

595
00:26:17,169 --> 00:26:11,240
wind damaged I said

596
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:17,179
so do something take trees away when the

597
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:18,890
wind damage she said well I'm telling

598
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,450
you what I've got to tell you want or

599
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:22,480
words to that effect

600
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,890
that was basically I wasn't going to get

601
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:26,480
any further with it telling you what

602
00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:29,450
I've got to tell you yes I don't know

603
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,820
what that was verbatim but it was to

604
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:33,919
that effect it was either you know this

605
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:35,090
is why they've got to tell you what some

606
00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:37,370
that David was that leave that stuck me

607
00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:39,980
straightaway but quite obviously being

608
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:41,470
told to shut up about it

609
00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:45,770
so rot we went anyway regardless I went

610
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:48,409
but I was rather amazed as we approached

611
00:26:52,090 --> 00:26:50,210
the farm because normally as you drive

612
00:26:54,250 --> 00:26:52,100
if you have to turn around to go into

613
00:26:56,590 --> 00:26:54,260
the fall as I was approaching it I could

614
00:27:01,649 --> 00:26:56,600
see the farm I couldn't see it before

615
00:27:04,210 --> 00:27:01,659
because it was trees so we got there and

616
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:04,220
we couldn't find anything again because

617
00:27:10,330 --> 00:27:07,370
obviously the wind damage trees would be

618
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:10,340
removed but I was absolutely gobsmacked

619
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:12,710
when I saw a JCB at the far end

620
00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:15,770
I said what's he doing you know if they

621
00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:16,580
did they do

622
00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:21,169
he said they're taking the soil what on

623
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:24,590
earth do you want to take the soil for I

624
00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:28,730
mean I give up no it's obvious I'm

625
00:27:32,529 --> 00:27:30,470
wasting my time ringing forestry

626
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,539
commission wife taking the soil they

627
00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:34,240
want time while they're taking the trees

628
00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:36,980
and benevolent is king and gave us a

629
00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:40,220
talk and Swansea that last month very

630
00:27:48,250 --> 00:27:43,640
similar case in Nottingham sure where

631
00:27:50,769 --> 00:27:48,260
they took policy lands where some

632
00:27:52,510 --> 00:27:50,779
reports of a suppose it crab on come

633
00:27:54,909 --> 00:27:52,520
down and they actually took this on the

634
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:54,919
way and replaced it with salt from

635
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:55,970
somewhere else

636
00:28:01,779 --> 00:27:59,210
ladies silicate thank you for telling me

637
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:01,789
that I didn't marry fartin I just say as

638
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:05,580
well as like with

639
00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:08,130
incident they fell all the trees pretty

640
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:09,660
much in the area where we found the snap

641
00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:14,880
branches and there we are also not too

642
00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:17,190
far now if I understand correctly in

643
00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:18,990
Toronto College Road they've now taken

644
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:21,300
all them trees down as well right and

645
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:23,730
it's like it seems anytime we hear a

646
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:30,330
major incident don't you always cut down

647
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:32,130
the trees hope they don't hang on over

648
00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:33,450
the top of the house then other ones we

649
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:35,790
put him somewhere to stay tonight anyway

650
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:38,370
what are next was I decided that we

651
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:39,900
needed to have these pieces that we'd

652
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:43,470
recovered analyzed they were unusual let

653
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:45,960
me just tell you that you could bend

654
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:47,810
them but only with a lot of force

655
00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:50,490
some of them sprang back again when they

656
00:28:55,420 --> 00:28:52,680
were bent or the state band depends on

657
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:55,430
how much fall she put on there was

658
00:29:02,060 --> 00:29:00,240
honeycomb all the metal foil that have

659
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:02,070
been reported that looked like baking

660
00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:05,760
foil was actually in a honeycomb and it

661
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:08,670
was sandwiched between pieces of this

662
00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:12,960
metal and there's some kind of resin on

663
00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:15,990
it on the metal that allowed this into

664
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,540
place if you've got a son which piece of

665
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:21,120
it you could stand on it and you

666
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:23,940
couldn't crush it and all it was is the

667
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:26,850
finest foil it weighs absolutely nothing

668
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:29,970
it really as featherweight and yet it's

669
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:34,200
you know it's solid metal so we decided

670
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:35,820
that we needed to get it analyzed

671
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:38,430
properly none of us a qualified you know

672
00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:39,810
look under a microscope and not as a

673
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:44,660
qualified so I applied to a local

674
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:47,850
laboratory metallurgy laboratory and

675
00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:49,620
asked them would they be prepared I

676
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:51,030
didn't tell them the source of the

677
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:52,530
material but I just asked them would

678
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,050
they be prepared to analyze the metal

679
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:57,120
and tell us what it was and they said no

680
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:00,120
problem at all I said well what would he

681
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:04,050
cusses said about five thousand now I'm

682
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:08,970
not funded you know by anybody I do

683
00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:12,090
talks to win money and I use that to buy

684
00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:13,950
equipment and and do it all goes back

685
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:16,470
into what we're doing but five thousand

686
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:17,100
pounds is

687
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:19,260
lotta money my wife would have been

688
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,820
thrilled to death I told hundred

689
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:22,740
withdraw me five thousand pounds to but

690
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:24,299
to have a piece of tin looked at by

691
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:29,010
someone so so unfortunately that was a

692
00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:32,130
good while after but because I've got

693
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:35,190
been doing talks all over the North

694
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:37,860
Wales had got some two hundred saw

695
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:40,470
people all together if you've got to put

696
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:41,220
them all in one room

697
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:43,289
yeah and among some I've got every kind

698
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:46,500
of trade and you know profession to

699
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,970
ladies work repair in aircraft and been

700
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:53,360
repairing them from from World War two

701
00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:56,640
aircraft right up to the present day and

702
00:31:00,529 --> 00:30:58,500
that's what they do

703
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:00,539
I won't give you full detail though

704
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:03,299
because you know and also one of the

705
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:06,090
guys that I had there is very high up in

706
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:09,299
the in that kind of thing and he can't

707
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:11,250
talk about what he does either but

708
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:12,240
they're all had a good look at the

709
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:14,730
material and they said straight away the

710
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:17,100
two lady said I've done hundreds and

711
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:20,250
hundreds of airplanes from the univer to

712
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:23,490
today that's not off an aeroplane that's

713
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:27,179
their opinion obviously icon you've got

714
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:29,220
to take their Winifred the guy who was

715
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:32,730
quite high up in things said you've got

716
00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:35,250
something really special right but he

717
00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:36,780
was not people I had to go any further

718
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:39,179
than that but I think he recognized that

719
00:31:44,899 --> 00:31:41,460
it wasn't an aeroplane or a piece of an

720
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,909
aeroplane now a bit later on I got

721
00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:47,760
really lucky because someone said I know

722
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:50,190
where we can have that properly analyzed

723
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:54,059
by experts said right but I'll need some

724
00:31:59,890 --> 00:31:57,510
samples now up until then not to scrub a

725
00:32:02,930 --> 00:31:59,900
bit had gone in the hands of anybody so

726
00:32:05,299 --> 00:32:02,940
I decided it was time to try and cut a

727
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:05,309
sample from the each of the different

728
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:07,770
kinds of material we had for them to

729
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:10,049
analyze and this person took it to a

730
00:32:15,549 --> 00:32:12,210
place let's just say they're in the

731
00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:15,559
aerospace industry but right because

732
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:19,830
this had to be done privately rather

733
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:23,610
than the company if you understand me

734
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:25,080
otherwise obviously it'd have been

735
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:27,320
another five that wasn't Bank level or

736
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:30,170
worse so the pieces with samples were

737
00:32:36,970 --> 00:32:33,920
given and I had a full report back which

738
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:36,980
I can't repeat I can't print but have

739
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:39,530
got a full report their analysis of it

740
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:42,460
says that it is a type of duralumon

741
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,990
which is a that made me feel like some

742
00:32:50,050 --> 00:32:46,880
kind of AA they've been dual album in a

743
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:50,060
lot of the specification that they gave

744
00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:51,950
me go straight over the top of here and

745
00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:54,260
cannot the stamp half of it it's a

746
00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:57,350
metallic is jargon yeah but but it turns

747
00:33:06,130 --> 00:33:01,480
out in the summary at the bottom it said

748
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,140
any aircraft if it was an aircraft that

749
00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:08,480
lost this much material have to be

750
00:33:13,030 --> 00:33:10,520
sticking up out of the ground with four

751
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:13,040
engines and in debt people right because

752
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:15,850
no aircraft can possibly lose

753
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:18,050
substantial you know the amount of stuff

754
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:19,730
that's been described covering four

755
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:22,370
fields and still survive whatever this

756
00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:26,450
was it did that and secondly if we could

757
00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:29,420
make this do element the same as you've

758
00:33:32,830 --> 00:33:30,950
got this someplace

759
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:32,840
we'd be building all the airplanes out

760
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:34,760
of it because it beats everything we've

761
00:33:39,370 --> 00:33:35,620
got

762
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:39,380
no that is telling to make he come you

763
00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:41,000
know that'll do me

764
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:43,790
on its own the fact that that they can't

765
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:49,010
make it so the farmer followed over he

766
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:50,450
didn't hear anything that might see

767
00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:52,010
anything nothing at all there's no noise

768
00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:53,540
at all he got very early in the morning

769
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:55,790
to see to his lungs and he walked over

770
00:34:00,040 --> 00:33:57,710
to that gate as soon as he got to his

771
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:00,050
fireball gate he just saw all the

772
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:02,150
splinting stuff all over the fields I

773
00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:04,310
thought my god what's happened here you

774
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:06,830
know and quite rightly he suspected he

775
00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:09,530
got an aeroplane down so he mocked all

776
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:12,500
over his land found all the pieces saw

777
00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:14,930
the tree damage but couldn't actually

778
00:34:17,470 --> 00:34:16,760
tell you what about so let me call the

779
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:17,480
police first

780
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:20,330
yeah quite rightly I suppose so what my

781
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:22,070
hands of the pieces that you recovered

782
00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:24,490
well the pieces that that we got

783
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:26,780
obviously we lost a few tiny bits in

784
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:28,790
samples when they when they were tested

785
00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:31,520
but the other major pieces I thought

786
00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:34,040
immediately I thought I know a minute I

787
00:34:39,630 --> 00:34:36,550
feel a bit like Marcel

788
00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:39,640
and what happened to him is they came

789
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:42,190
and they collected everything that he

790
00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:45,730
had and they took it away now would you

791
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:48,360
expect well to have kept a few bits

792
00:34:54,270 --> 00:34:51,640
quietly by I can't answer that question

793
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:54,280
at all how long does he know these two

794
00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:55,930
the room that I do I think he's still

795
00:35:00,210 --> 00:34:57,790
around he was younger than me I believe

796
00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:00,220
at the time so you know I'm still yeah

797
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:01,140
just about

798
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:06,370
and so what up next was that I made sure

799
00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:09,180
I could desperate to think of a way of

800
00:35:14,850 --> 00:35:12,100
ensuring that these pieces didn't go the

801
00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:14,860
same way that they did in the Roswell

802
00:35:19,590 --> 00:35:17,080
incident otherwise we ducked the

803
00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:19,600
definitive evidence today to harmful

804
00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:22,060
yeah so I come up with a few brain waves

805
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:23,590
but one of them was not to keep the

806
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:25,360
pieces here under any circumstances

807
00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:29,410
obviously because you know let's say go

808
00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:32,380
and get them isn't it and so I've had

809
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:34,180
them deposited where they cannot be

810
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:37,510
touched right and in order to you know

811
00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:40,450
if I could tell you that tomorrow I was

812
00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:42,840
going to do a conference in Swansea and

813
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:45,670
I was bringing pieces of a craft flying

814
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:46,450
saucer

815
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:48,190
I could fill any building you've got

816
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:51,310
from you know yeah it wouldn't be any

817
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,690
difficulty would it to fill the Albert

818
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Hall if you can they go along with these

819
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,850
pieces yeah but I can't actually do that

820
00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:00,160
it's many sad because they could make a

821
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:02,260
lot of money doing this I could to other

822
00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:05,230
country with input unfortunately it is

823
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:06,940
faithful to say where they going to be

824
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:09,910
at any given time right so the modus

825
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:12,130
operandi when I gave the last talk on

826
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:15,490
this which was in Blackpool what I did I

827
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:18,910
arranged with a security guard my own of

828
00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:22,480
course on radio so what would happen

829
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:24,820
this at the right point in the middle of

830
00:36:31,530 --> 00:36:27,760
the conference I rang my colleague and

831
00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:31,540
he came round the corner in a car parked

832
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:34,180
outside and came in with it but it was

833
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,970
handcuffed to him and people could look

834
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:39,520
at it but they couldn't touch and if he

835
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:44,130
touched him you'd be dead big big luck a

836
00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:46,380
really big lot yes

837
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:49,540
not only that but he said a professional

838
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:52,330
martial arts expert as well yeah but

839
00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:53,470
that's how we did

840
00:36:59,310 --> 00:36:56,710
so I can you know it can be shown but

841
00:37:02,130 --> 00:36:59,320
only under my conditions populist leader

842
00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:02,140
first thought this it's very important

843
00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:04,150
obviously that they don't go then I came

844
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,790
up with another plane wave all the parts

845
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:09,040
that we've got left from the samples and

846
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,170
that we were talking only a few a few

847
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:13,119
tiny pieces they've got left from the

848
00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:15,730
samples there's so many people wanted a

849
00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:17,830
piece of another to touch it and can I

850
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:19,780
test it and all this stuff I mean

851
00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:21,250
everybody's ever saw that can I take

852
00:37:26,609 --> 00:37:23,980
some away in testing well obviously if

853
00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:26,619
you take away the main body of it that

854
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:29,020
the evidence is gone that releases but

855
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:31,300
these sample pieces I cut them into tiny

856
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:34,500
little squares and put them in key rings

857
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:37,060
and I sold them because it would raise

858
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:39,130
money straightaway I sold it to these

859
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:42,520
key rings off of the the talks I did not

860
00:37:47,339 --> 00:37:45,670
that helped with the funds no end but

861
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:47,349
the beauty is I don't know the hell

862
00:37:53,609 --> 00:37:50,710
Scotland so out there there are quite a

863
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:53,619
few dozen people long long hundreds but

864
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:55,150
there are a few dozen people out there

865
00:38:00,180 --> 00:37:57,660
who have got to sample this in a keyring

866
00:38:01,530 --> 00:38:00,190
as obviously they can do any amount of

867
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:01,540
testing on it they like I've made them

868
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:04,030
sorry you just take them out but in this

869
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:06,700
way right Roswell is not going to happen

870
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:09,369
out there if I go tomorrow

871
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:11,050
heaven forbid because they intend to

872
00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:13,000
stay till that weekend at least but if I

873
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:15,550
go tomorrow right that are people out

874
00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:17,380
there who've got a piece of that crash

875
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:19,900
from Ramallah what they do with it is up

876
00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:23,380
to simply I still over yeah so that's

877
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:25,750
basically and I would say that's got to

878
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:27,210
be the highlight of any UFO

879
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:32,650
investigators soon after the event so

880
00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:45,180
it's not an accident to go through i'll

881
00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:46,780
tell you something's going on that's

882
00:38:52,859 --> 00:38:50,680
really exciting is that every year UFO

883
00:38:58,170 --> 00:38:52,869
has come in the winter and they come

884
00:39:00,180 --> 00:38:58,180
sort of January to April I mean last

885
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:00,190
time myself and the common late at night

886
00:39:05,339 --> 00:39:03,730
late at night and they use something I

887
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:05,349
didn't didn't realize at the time but

888
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:06,770
there's a trough

889
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:08,930
that goes from the Liverpool Bay here

890
00:39:13,330 --> 00:39:10,490
which is what you're looking out on in

891
00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:13,340
rear right there's a trough that goes

892
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:15,800
all the way to Danby the time that Denby

893
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:18,760
down the road which isn't UFO hotspot

894
00:39:26,170 --> 00:39:23,450
sort of sort of yeah but that line is

895
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:26,180
below the level of the cleared mountain

896
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:29,990
range right there is no radar from

897
00:39:35,650 --> 00:39:33,680
either the military or the Civil

898
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,660
Aviation peoples is following the valley

899
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:38,720
up from rel to them yes on the west side

900
00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:41,240
if you are flying lower than the height

901
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:43,700
of oil family which is at the mountain

902
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:44,570
mama

903
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:48,590
yes flying lower than that you cannot be

904
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:52,270
seen on the radar right in any direction

905
00:39:58,690 --> 00:39:55,970
now if you travel this particular line

906
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,700
which crosses real Golf Course down the

907
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,040
road and over Robin Lyons Robin Hood

908
00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:03,920
holiday camp you can actually draw a

909
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,960
straight line to get a map out and a pen

910
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:08,480
you can draw a straight line from there

911
00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:10,070
all the way to damn it without cross and

912
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:13,670
single building right with care yeah

913
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:17,210
right and I believe this is why this

914
00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:19,910
particular line is used because they

915
00:40:24,610 --> 00:40:21,590
could come up out of the walk by the way

916
00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:24,620
they fly under the water here right yeah

917
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:27,350
let me tell you how I know that one day

918
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,510
my wife and I walking up the promenade

919
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:32,480
in Rio and there is the lifeboat station

920
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:34,910
with a lifeboat station and above it

921
00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:37,250
used to be the Coast Guard Station and

922
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:39,350
they had the lookout on the top of it a

923
00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:41,950
glass fronted yeah lookout on the top

924
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:45,470
and there was a big sign and it said

925
00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:47,950
Coast Guard Station open to the public

926
00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:51,080
which is not normal so I said I've got

927
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,630
to have a look at this so we went up the

928
00:40:59,020 --> 00:40:55,760
stairs and was an elderly man and a

929
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,030
younger man to Coast Guard people and I

930
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:01,280
said it showed us what they do and I

931
00:41:05,470 --> 00:41:03,110
said a fantastic view for me you can see

932
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:05,480
right across the Liverpool Bay said you

933
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,190
know these people that see these you

934
00:41:11,530 --> 00:41:09,200
know claim this let me see these flying

935
00:41:13,819 --> 00:41:11,540
saucer things how many hours you spend

936
00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:13,829
in office spent hours and hours in

937
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:16,109
some hours on shift in it so you don't

938
00:41:19,279 --> 00:41:18,150
see anything up here that they people

939
00:41:19,969 --> 00:41:19,289
keep coming up with it all the time

940
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:19,979
don't they

941
00:41:25,099 --> 00:41:22,619
he said oh we do so if you're rubbish

942
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:25,109
man you laughing me on nothing good

943
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:26,910
approach well I use it quite a lot

944
00:41:32,749 --> 00:41:30,630
actually remember actually the more if

945
00:41:33,859 --> 00:41:32,759
you say to a witness it's probably a

946
00:41:36,529 --> 00:41:33,869
matter of playing them as it or

947
00:41:39,229 --> 00:41:36,539
something the more it challenges their

948
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:39,239
memory and makes them here to try harder

949
00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:40,920
to read many other details of it that's

950
00:41:44,299 --> 00:41:42,630
why they wouldn't feel silly talking to

951
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:44,309
you about what people they might have

952
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:46,529
seen one themselves exactly so that's

953
00:41:51,739 --> 00:41:50,339
they usually young man says tell him

954
00:41:55,789 --> 00:41:51,749
about the one that come up out to the

955
00:41:58,099 --> 00:41:55,799
sea I said your wife to this see you

956
00:42:00,859 --> 00:41:58,109
know well you're on the Pope now Flair

957
00:42:03,529 --> 00:42:00,869
was it he said no no this thing came up

958
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:03,539
and we're on duty this thing came up out

959
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:05,910
of the sea we thought it was a flare but

960
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:08,369
it went against the wind this object

961
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:11,249
then it stopped and he waited for a

962
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:13,380
while he said and then all of a sudden

963
00:42:18,739 --> 00:42:17,130
it came inland towards us but not right

964
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:18,749
over them further just a bit further

965
00:42:22,819 --> 00:42:21,420
down the coast actually over the top of

966
00:42:24,709 --> 00:42:22,829
the real golf course that I've already

967
00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:24,719
mentioned to them but you can see from

968
00:42:29,029 --> 00:42:26,339
where they are quite pleased whereas

969
00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:29,039
what's what's telling it's towards pest

970
00:42:33,529 --> 00:42:31,559
at ease we only told him real Roy

971
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:33,539
talking a mile away half a mile away at

972
00:42:39,529 --> 00:42:36,150
the most from the earth anyway it came

973
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:39,539
straight in at a load alone very fairly

974
00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:42,690
low level and came straight in it was

975
00:42:46,489 --> 00:42:44,190
owned they could only see a light they

976
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:46,499
couldn't see any own on it but this

977
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:48,390
light as I say came out to the water

978
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:50,430
clearly came out to the water and they

979
00:42:55,759 --> 00:42:52,170
were on alert to launch lifeboat as they

980
00:42:58,009 --> 00:42:55,769
thought they got a signal flare it

981
00:42:59,420 --> 00:42:58,019
stopped when it got up in the air going

982
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:59,430
against the wind he went against the

983
00:43:03,799 --> 00:43:02,099
wind and stopped and they're poised for

984
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:03,809
a while and then he came in his dead

985
00:43:08,779 --> 00:43:06,420
straight line and zoomed them straight

986
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:08,789
into the co so this rules out meteorites

987
00:43:13,189 --> 00:43:10,440
or anything like article citizen you

988
00:43:15,949 --> 00:43:13,199
know and he come out to the water so

989
00:43:17,989 --> 00:43:15,959
what I did is denting this by the way I

990
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:17,999
said so what'd you do with that then you

991
00:43:22,249 --> 00:43:19,650
know to you launch like nobody said no

992
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:22,259
we've got the young man the old man

993
00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:23,819
wasn't so cooperative of the young man

994
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:27,590
said within this number so

995
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:29,210
showed me the number and what can I

996
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,730
can't believe with me stood there

997
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:33,200
thinking I'm not it's not happening to

998
00:43:35,770 --> 00:43:33,470
me

999
00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:35,780
and he turned I don't think Koster later

1000
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:37,790
women when they go into ministry defense

1001
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:40,310
number so they actually of instruction

1002
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,660
mistaking seriously they have

1003
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:43,520
instructions to ring the ministry

1004
00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:45,500
defense when they see any of these kind

1005
00:43:50,350 --> 00:43:47,990
of anomalies quite what their brief

1006
00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:50,360
aside on't no but but obviously I was

1007
00:44:00,850 --> 00:43:52,700
reading away cases recently somebody on

1008
00:44:02,260 --> 00:44:00,860
the beach by the little yes so so so the

1009
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:02,270
you sort of stumbled on this yourself

1010
00:44:10,750 --> 00:44:06,050
you discover this so what I did is I

1011
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:10,760
throw in one yes I can't hold yet Coast

1012
00:44:17,260 --> 00:44:14,390
Guard Center which is in charge of all

1013
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:17,270
the Coast Guard down there and they they

1014
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,640
confirmed that this is a reported a

1015
00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:21,680
reported sighting so it's actually

1016
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:24,740
registered in all the actor Coast Guard

1017
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:25,310
Station

1018
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:26,930
it really did that leads to the event

1019
00:44:30,490 --> 00:44:28,670
that it's live so they come up the seats

1020
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:30,500
thing under the radar of the collodion

1021
00:44:35,350 --> 00:44:33,830
Nils absolute serene yes straight in

1022
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:35,360
land to Denby and where do you think

1023
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:37,490
they go after that it goes around Denby

1024
00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:39,590
castle there all right and there's

1025
00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:41,420
another valley up there that leads out

1026
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,360
onto the Debbie Moss it was a photograph

1027
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:46,640
of a disc of a Danby Castle taken in

1028
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:48,350
2009 that's correct

1029
00:44:57,550 --> 00:44:54,740
yeah the separation yes yes and there's

1030
00:45:00,100 --> 00:44:57,560
a video film some children that's about

1031
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:00,110
a video camera for Christmas present and

1032
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:02,690
saw these the circular lights going yeah

1033
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:04,190
yes yeah we're gonna visit the mother

1034
00:45:12,670 --> 00:45:09,710
tomorrow all right yeah so that that's

1035
00:45:15,730 --> 00:45:12,680
that's it in fact I stumbled on one

1036
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:15,740
report in Denby of somebody who saw he

1037
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:19,430
was an infant school in 1949 and he saw

1038
00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:21,950
a flame so he called the Flying Saucer

1039
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:24,140
just a few feet off the ground at the

1040
00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:27,410
back of the school dinner plate say this

1041
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:30,020
has been a long time this a lot of them

1042
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:33,050
so I've been plotting sightings them

1043
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:35,570
that the cleared range year in and year

1044
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,900
out in fact the year I moved up here

1045
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:40,880
previously the front page of Flying

1046
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:44,810
Saucer review featured UFO sighting over

1047
00:45:49,870 --> 00:45:47,570
the brook how smell a damn pee right

1048
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:49,880
where the chef's got up early in the

1049
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:52,070
morning to go across to work in the in

1050
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:54,920
the bobbin motel and as he went across

1051
00:45:59,650 --> 00:45:57,650
the road he saw this disc from below the

1052
00:46:00,940 --> 00:45:59,660
toe lock is Bhima like that he was

1053
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,950
working in the restaurants that's good

1054
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,200
idea chef yeah yeah but later

1055
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,599
unbeknown to him two policemen went off

1056
00:46:09,370 --> 00:46:07,760
that road in Dakota yeah they also

1057
00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:09,380
reported it and I've seen the records

1058
00:46:15,490 --> 00:46:11,780
for that they did report it and saw the

1059
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:15,500
same thing but better than that best of

1060
00:46:21,010 --> 00:46:19,130
all of this contact from a gentleman who

1061
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:21,020
lives in Tempe he lives near to the

1062
00:46:27,820 --> 00:46:24,560
quality there and what he did is every

1063
00:46:30,849 --> 00:46:27,830
evening a quarry every evening he used

1064
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:30,859
to walk his dog at midnight to the end

1065
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,160
of his cul-de-sac which is got a style

1066
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,560
and a thinking and then of Beyond which

1067
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:38,960
is the quarry right and he used to let

1068
00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:41,950
the dog run loose and do its business

1069
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:44,420
I'm on this particular night he's stuck

1070
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:46,700
on there having a smoke and he stops

1071
00:46:51,490 --> 00:46:49,430
running around over there and opposite

1072
00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:51,500
appearing to come up but actually really

1073
00:46:57,490 --> 00:46:53,900
come in towards him yeah it was a huge

1074
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,500
disc with lights and windows on it in

1075
00:47:01,720 --> 00:46:59,599
which he could see what he thought were

1076
00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:01,730
peach shadow people in there coming

1077
00:47:06,849 --> 00:47:06,140
towards him so he ran called the dog but

1078
00:47:09,250 --> 00:47:06,859
he was gone

1079
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:09,260
yeah and he ran down the cul-de-sac

1080
00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:11,890
knocking on doors at 10 past 12:00

1081
00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:16,630
midnight it could maginot thrill people

1082
00:47:20,109 --> 00:47:18,980
just thinking about the quarry well it

1083
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:20,119
appeared to come back to the quality

1084
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:21,770
project it's coming to turn the Peter

1085
00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:23,330
over the trees coming from the quality

1086
00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:26,060
we're not talking about you know more

1087
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:27,560
than that you know 50 feet in the air

1088
00:47:32,530 --> 00:47:29,180
that's not far from the video that those

1089
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:32,540
boys took in probably 12 exactly lights

1090
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,849
don't use this I mean you can ask me

1091
00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:39,920
what yeah everyone is it like more than

1092
00:47:43,690 --> 00:47:41,660
10 years you hundred-thousand sightings

1093
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:43,700
you know to pull out to the draw

1094
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,650
okay it's a while like kalam then again

1095
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:48,300
I'll show you the newspaper cutting and

1096
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:50,250
everything for is it alight but what

1097
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:51,720
happened was he runs out knocking on the

1098
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,420
doors and a lady in one of the houses by

1099
00:47:59,090 --> 00:47:56,880
the way the absence to the houses is set

1100
00:48:02,120 --> 00:47:59,100
back by the buildings the buildings

1101
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:02,130
protrude towards the road right and the

1102
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:04,470
front door is set back so he's knocked

1103
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:06,270
on this door she comes out what the a

1104
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:08,370
key of do he knocking on my door at 10

1105
00:48:12,830 --> 00:48:10,140
past midnight or whatever it was and

1106
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:12,840
just then of course it parsley down the

1107
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:17,250
road this huge object so I went there to

1108
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:20,040
interview this guy and my wife used to

1109
00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:23,010
be secretary forms just to make notes so

1110
00:48:27,110 --> 00:48:24,600
they could just chat to him and I always

1111
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:27,120
asked if it could record it and recorded

1112
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:29,250
it so I've got this on on tape

1113
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:33,440
and I had to use a lot of bleepy when I

1114
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:36,470
recorded it because he got not excited

1115
00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:39,780
you know telling me about it what I say

1116
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:41,580
this man is telling the truth if you'd

1117
00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:42,900
have been there you wouldn't know the

1118
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:44,670
answer to that absolutely there's not

1119
00:48:49,850 --> 00:48:48,060
not a doubt in my mind this this guy is

1120
00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:49,860
telling you what actually happened what

1121
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:51,120
he saw some little thing but he's

1122
00:48:55,610 --> 00:48:53,970
telling you exactly what happened did he

1123
00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:55,620
ever get his dog back oh yes he got the

1124
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:57,630
dog by myself but he but he got that

1125
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:00,720
excited so during the recount of this

1126
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:04,170
story that it took a lot of bleep in

1127
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:07,140
turn to be able to play it in public it

1128
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:09,690
I just can't say crush this guy because

1129
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,700
it's just something to do with quarry's

1130
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:13,560
where we know a lot of sightings and as

1131
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:21,000
always a quarry nearby anything to hide

1132
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:23,190
in place I don't know I just I just

1133
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,050
wonder if I tell you something special

1134
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:31,920
about the Denver Moors it's got the

1135
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:34,620
court it's got our vast reservoirs on

1136
00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:38,040
Denby Moors and the grow grass was open

1137
00:49:42,140 --> 00:49:40,740
reservoirs yeah have you put anything in

1138
00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:42,150
the water there you could leave it all

1139
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:44,420
day and bring it out any night you like

1140
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:46,560
all right yeah and the other thing that

1141
00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:48,750
you will find if you get a Mac bodies of

1142
00:49:51,690 --> 00:49:49,300
water

1143
00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:51,700
attentive and stick a pin in the center

1144
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:53,830
of the den beam or it can be 10 to 15

1145
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:55,570
miles away from any building in any

1146
00:50:01,020 --> 00:49:56,620
direction

1147
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:01,030
that's a remote Titus so perhaps it's

1148
00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:03,190
the remoteness of it letting that allow

1149
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:04,840
somebody to go out there possibly even

1150
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:09,010
mind some craft and investigate whatever

1151
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:10,810
they wanted to oh then go away it would

1152
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:12,310
make perfect sense what if they are

1153
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,990
extraterrestrial and they're capable of

1154
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:15,760
making these kinds of flights were these

1155
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,900
wonderful craft they're obviously not

1156
00:50:19,860 --> 00:50:18,400
going to want public attention are there

1157
00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:19,870
you know so but the only might you

1158
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:20,350
better

1159
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:24,010
that's fascinating about it is that on

1160
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:27,160
one occasion down this line I discovered

1161
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:30,070
somebody had discovered in a field right

1162
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:34,480
underneath the flight path a case when

1163
00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:36,460
they opened it is the most advanced

1164
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:38,590
Russian radio transmitter and receiver

1165
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:41,290
that you could imagine and it is only

1166
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:43,560
meant for the KGB

1167
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:46,030
it's made for anybody else I've got

1168
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,430
photographs of the equipment completely

1169
00:50:52,170 --> 00:50:50,800
in here might know what he did what he

1170
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,180
can do anywhere as a very very

1171
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:54,960
sophisticated the Ministry of Defense

1172
00:51:00,750 --> 00:50:58,050
thought they can only be there spying

1173
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:00,760
yeah but it's on this line the other

1174
00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:02,170
thing was interesting a great big

1175
00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:03,880
Caliban turned up near my friends who

1176
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:05,590
live upon the dead people's by the way

1177
00:51:10,310 --> 00:51:07,710
we booked plotted on the daily pause

1178
00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:10,320
turns over this great big cattle and

1179
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:13,600
untended dishes all over the top of it

1180
00:51:18,330 --> 00:51:16,210
so when they inquire what they're doing

1181
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:18,340
there they're doing it for the national

1182
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:19,960
geophysical year they're looking at the

1183
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:23,560
Earth's magnetism humanity's on the

1184
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:27,250
boats electronics you don't need to know

1185
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:29,290
that you don't need a great big radar

1186
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,570
dish on top of a fan to be able Q for

1187
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:33,780
the Earth's magnetic field

1188
00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:39,070
disappointing wrong exact isn't the end

1189
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:42,150
of the Rangers it's a den theatre it's

1190
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,010
on your right um if you went towards a

1191
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:46,960
town with envy yeah it's up through the

1192
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:49,210
town again B&B on straight out the

1193
00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:51,050
bottle street lights was so suddenly

1194
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:53,270
like how's it going into yes it is yes I

1195
00:52:01,960 --> 00:51:57,530
think it is yes yeah it was : operation

1196
00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:01,970
and then of course yeah the top it all

1197
00:52:09,490 --> 00:52:05,780
there's angle c RZ yes still working on

1198
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:09,500
the cases there lama khmer we go in that

1199
00:52:11,230 --> 00:52:10,730
tomorrow we've been talking about that

1200
00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:11,240
yeah

1201
00:52:20,980 --> 00:52:18,590
and drives his car to the top of the

1202
00:52:22,810 --> 00:52:20,990
Monica meth hmm

1203
00:52:24,670 --> 00:52:22,820
by the near the quarries at the top of I

1204
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:24,680
am at the math on the road and he gets

1205
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:27,290
out leave these key the doors open and

1206
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:30,560
disappears into thin air well I don't

1207
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:32,090
know this I think they've still not

1208
00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:33,380
found him I thought you were talking

1209
00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:36,070
about human eyes open I said yeah yeah

1210
00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:39,800
they're still not finding what I'm in

1211
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:43,870
here and I got a phone call one day and

1212
00:52:50,350 --> 00:52:48,710
this person runs the post office just at

1213
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:50,360
the other side of Monica meth not in

1214
00:52:53,770 --> 00:52:51,200
bamaca meth

1215
00:52:57,130 --> 00:52:53,780
Perry's Monty yeah it's a palace

1216
00:52:59,170 --> 00:52:57,140
phenomenal post office this lady who

1217
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,180
won't get names or anything printer she

1218
00:53:04,210 --> 00:53:02,000
was supposed to miss just I said please

1219
00:53:06,370 --> 00:53:04,220
are you the gun hero that you know is

1220
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:06,380
into UFOs and all this I said well yes

1221
00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:09,110
so would you please come out and talk to

1222
00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:11,660
my son's because they've had an awful

1223
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:13,430
experiences frightened the life out of

1224
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:16,430
them so I went out there my wife game

1225
00:53:20,770 --> 00:53:18,050
with me went out there and this little

1226
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:20,780
boy came in I can't remember which 10 or

1227
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:24,490
12 meter nine somebody game records yeah

1228
00:53:30,130 --> 00:53:27,290
and there he and his friend were play

1229
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:30,140
him on the side of Perry's mounting when

1230
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:34,700
a disc came down over the top the one

1231
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:38,170
often hoped a lamppost of wet himself

1232
00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:41,330
that's oh he was so scared so frightened

1233
00:53:45,580 --> 00:53:43,460
the other one was braver and he looked

1234
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:45,590
at it for quite a while while he was

1235
00:53:49,090 --> 00:53:46,850
over and then it flew off in the

1236
00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:49,100
direction of the quarry impalas Monte

1237
00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:53,480
yeah the cover later right now while I

1238
00:53:58,570 --> 00:53:55,910
was talking to them on the back door for

1239
00:53:59,180 --> 00:53:58,580
I went in and they said are you the UFO

1240
00:54:00,700 --> 00:53:59,190
man

1241
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:00,710
that kind of thing when I'd arrived

1242
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:03,630
there was an older man a young man with

1243
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:05,220
a lot of working on my house next door

1244
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,700
on a roof and this young man the dirt

1245
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:10,440
must have caught the end of the

1246
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:12,810
conversation said YouTube of the UFOs

1247
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:14,430
over the village he a lot weakened and

1248
00:54:19,819 --> 00:54:16,740
he went to him this old man said shut up

1249
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:19,829
shut him up she said no that's what it's

1250
00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:22,050
like people are coming in here they've

1251
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,119
reported stuff but they don't anybody

1252
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:27,000
around here looking into it and

1253
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:28,740
nobody'll talk about it but there's been

1254
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:32,579
a lot of activity around here the Lama

1255
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:34,859
commits itself but she's just the other

1256
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:39,030
side of Paris Mountain dozens including

1257
00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:40,859
entities in the field

1258
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:43,619
yoky beside it but what you probably

1259
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:46,050
don't know it's got the highest suicide

1260
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,140
rate in the world per population one

1261
00:54:57,859 --> 00:54:55,260
lady says to a daughter on the phone

1262
00:54:59,359 --> 00:54:57,869
right it's math I'm making the name up

1263
00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:59,369
now it's Melanie's birthday my

1264
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:01,500
granddaughter's birthday tomorrow

1265
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:03,510
now I've come round I've got something I

1266
00:55:12,730 --> 00:55:07,290
bought something for Wright doesn't turn

1267
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:12,740
up and there's a committed suicide

1268
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:15,089
absolutely no reason there's people

1269
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:18,420
there of committed suicide

1270
00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:20,250
for which there's a button if that all

1271
00:55:26,420 --> 00:55:23,819
their relatives it's a temple you know I

1272
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:26,430
mean that one person choked sight sick

1273
00:55:29,089 --> 00:55:28,410
joke joke whenever students talk about

1274
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,099
this once

1275
00:55:34,099 --> 00:55:30,960
I don't blame if I lived in Monica med

1276
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:34,109
like commit suicide but it really wasn't

1277
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:37,410
golf or but but but it has standing me

1278
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:40,650
just how many sightings have occurred in

1279
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,040
the village and the caliber of them yeah

1280
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:46,079
you know and the width amount of

1281
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:47,730
witnesses and remember just lots of this

1282
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:50,490
for sabalan whether the

1283
00:55:55,339 --> 00:55:52,200
it was a class of school children in the

1284
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:55,349
yeah in the schoolyard yeah in netball

1285
00:55:59,000 --> 00:55:56,400
ugly absolutely

1286
00:56:02,420 --> 00:55:59,010
back in 1977 and they saw a graphical

1287
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:02,430
Nuria that's just not yeah yeah we gotta

1288
00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:05,640
find out come if tomorrow oh won't you

1289
00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:07,859
stay familiarize ourselves with the with

1290
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:09,300
a location right now there's one more

1291
00:56:16,170 --> 00:56:11,230
thing I'll say about this scenario

1292
00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:16,180
finish there if I may yes that I was

1293
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:19,180
pondering for ages why on earth so many

1294
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:22,390
UFOs were seen in that area in the

1295
00:56:27,390 --> 00:56:25,720
palace mountain area yeah and I used to

1296
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:27,400
be in contact with people at NASA all

1297
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:29,260
the time and before they went to the

1298
00:56:32,190 --> 00:56:30,400
moon when I used to speak to the

1299
00:56:35,340 --> 00:56:32,200
astronauts on a regular basis they're

1300
00:56:38,010 --> 00:56:35,350
all into UFOs by the way all of them and

1301
00:56:39,660 --> 00:56:38,020
I said to one of them who shall remain

1302
00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:39,670
nameless now but we'll talk about a

1303
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:43,390
decade said why on earth you know I've

1304
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:46,690
got this hot spot why on earth is it all

1305
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:48,550
occurring there there's nothing there

1306
00:56:55,140 --> 00:56:50,230
what do you mean there's nothing there

1307
00:56:57,780 --> 00:56:55,150
he said it's a beacon sits a lot he says

1308
00:57:01,590 --> 00:56:57,790
it's acid nostril it's a beacon

1309
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,600
he said we use it it's a beacon mr. doe

1310
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,040
do you mean he says the biggest copper

1311
00:57:07,410 --> 00:57:04,720
deposited that was I'll say the copper

1312
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:07,420
ore yeah and we can they can be kit

1313
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:09,130
apparently the beacon they did space I

1314
00:57:14,609 --> 00:57:11,050
mean oh they do that have no idea but

1315
00:57:17,730 --> 00:57:14,619
apparently it's it's it's a beacon point

1316
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:17,740
you know used in the measurements or

1317
00:57:24,359 --> 00:57:22,630
whatever it is that they do mean the

1318
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:24,369
cops do you when you get there you'll be

1319
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:26,230
astounded if you've not seen it before

1320
00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:27,310
I've seen you I've doubled over

1321
00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:29,560
parsimonious oh yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry

1322
00:57:34,770 --> 00:57:32,230
it's like appreciate that you've been in

1323
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,780
a boat it is like a like a boom another

1324
00:57:38,250 --> 00:57:36,640
planet it isn't like mother planet Earth

1325
00:57:39,570 --> 00:57:38,260
making strange connection with swans it

1326
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:39,580
used to take the copper ore from there

1327
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:41,050
to Swansea to be smoked it all right

1328
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:44,410
many years ago well that's basically it

1329
00:57:59,300 --> 00:57:51,930
there's so much to go on the unit you

1330
00:58:04,109 --> 00:58:01,770
yeah it's one of the reasons why we come

1331
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:04,119
up is just to because we recoup down in

1332
00:58:07,590 --> 00:58:05,260
South Wales we've only been gone three

1333
00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:07,600
years and we want to make contact with

1334
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:09,460
the rest of the country Wales

1335
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:11,500
I want Elijah to make contact and with

1336
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,150
some veteran researchers like yourself

1337
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:15,280
have put a lifetime's work into it and

1338
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:16,690
it's just alter that factor in the

1339
00:58:21,570 --> 00:58:19,510
better you know it is you deserve all

1340
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:21,580
the recognition recognition due to you I

1341
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:30,440
that you guys we've got one more thing

1342
00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:31,950
that you want to see while you earlier

1343
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:34,380
that might be some of this wreckage

1344
00:58:40,070 --> 00:58:36,780
because I've had the wreckage delivered

1345
00:58:42,290 --> 00:58:40,080
right so if you'd like to see it or time

1346
00:58:51,130 --> 00:58:42,300
I'll go and get it and Shelley okay

1347
00:58:51,140 --> 00:59:05,200
you

1348
00:59:12,339 --> 00:59:09,160
right well in here gentlemen are the

1349
00:59:17,890 --> 00:59:12,349
biggest pieces of the remainder of the

1350
00:59:21,250 --> 00:59:17,900
debris that we collected wow that's the

1351
00:59:24,190 --> 00:59:21,260
largest piece of all if you notice

1352
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:24,200
carefully the edges of it are broken

1353
00:59:30,730 --> 00:59:28,730
like glass yeah it the only straight

1354
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:30,740
part is the part that was cut off for

1355
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:34,400
sampling yeah which is on the bottom but

1356
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:36,770
all the other pieces all looked as if

1357
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:38,930
they chattered and yet it won't shatter

1358
00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:41,300
see you layers come off first

1359
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:44,900
yes actually tried to break it or you

1360
00:59:49,059 --> 00:59:46,670
know I mean I tested its strength oh oh

1361
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:49,069
yes it's extremely strongest is lighter

1362
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:50,930
yes like thin with his thicker ones

1363
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,089
though if you look there you'll see the

1364
00:59:57,069 --> 00:59:55,040
honeycomb there's a sample of it this is

1365
00:59:59,890 --> 00:59:57,079
the foil stuff that was spread all over

1366
01:00:04,660 --> 00:59:59,900
the fields but you'll notice that it's

1367
01:00:08,589 --> 01:00:04,670
honeycomb yeah in their life look I got

1368
01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:08,599
you a follow back nice now if you trap

1369
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:10,760
trod on that piece there you can't crush

1370
01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:16,130
it it's extremely strong the honeycomb

1371
01:00:20,890 --> 01:00:18,200
takes the form of these little cells

1372
01:00:22,089 --> 01:00:20,900
that you can see on here I mean you said

1373
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:22,099
you have that been tested and they said

1374
01:00:27,849 --> 01:00:25,369
it was made of all of this all of it is

1375
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:27,859
made of Darrell Irma type your element

1376
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:31,040
do a lumen duralumon which i think is a

1377
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:33,369
kind of aluminium I'm not a pathologist

1378
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,450
but that's that's what Eileen told is

1379
01:00:45,010 --> 01:00:40,880
that an alloy was a it's an alloy yes

1380
01:00:47,230 --> 01:00:45,020
it's an alloy but it's it's got a well

1381
01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:47,240
that whatever strange about it it isn't

1382
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:47,780
normal

1383
01:00:57,069 --> 01:00:54,920
kind of gentleman after the fact no that

1384
01:01:00,579 --> 01:00:57,079
material that's honeycombed that you see

1385
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:00,589
on the side of the metal there right has

1386
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:04,640
been analyzed and that was analyzed this

1387
01:01:09,789 --> 01:01:07,010
place dr. thus this was stuck on these

1388
01:01:12,849 --> 01:01:09,799
pieces originally it's all going down

1389
01:01:14,859 --> 01:01:12,859
like a yes as if it would be a disc sort

1390
01:01:18,190 --> 01:01:14,869
of thing right so going there going to a

1391
01:01:24,370 --> 01:01:22,359
sir materials being analyzed on it and

1392
01:01:27,310 --> 01:01:24,380
although they can identify what some of

1393
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,320
the compounds are in it nobody at the

1394
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:29,359
top chemical company the top laboratory

1395
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:31,730
experts at the chemical company who was

1396
01:01:37,810 --> 01:01:33,950
on our team by the way so we were very

1397
01:01:39,730 --> 01:01:37,820
lucky to have won those they come to

1398
01:01:42,310 --> 01:01:39,740
identify what but is it's an unknown

1399
01:01:44,260 --> 01:01:42,320
substance but although they can find

1400
01:01:48,220 --> 01:01:44,270
traces of compounds in Italy the code

1401
01:01:50,890 --> 01:01:48,230
could identify how could let's assume

1402
01:01:52,569 --> 01:01:50,900
this is just an aircraft even the

1403
01:01:57,089 --> 01:01:52,579
military secret aircraft if you like

1404
01:02:00,370 --> 01:01:57,099
right how could it lose four fields

1405
01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:00,380
worth of pieces some the size according

1406
01:02:07,210 --> 01:02:03,980
to Ervil was six foot he'll lose that

1407
01:02:10,359 --> 01:02:07,220
and still fly on secondly where's the

1408
01:02:12,670 --> 01:02:10,369
engines where's the wiring where's the

1409
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:12,680
electronics that you would expect to

1410
01:02:17,230 --> 01:02:15,070
find where pieces of a crashed airplane

1411
01:02:19,810 --> 01:02:17,240
they don't they don't exist

1412
01:02:22,450 --> 01:02:19,820
yeah and I would've thought anything

1413
01:02:25,390 --> 01:02:22,460
that could blow something apart over

1414
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:25,400
five fields I could understand it if you

1415
01:02:31,690 --> 01:02:29,089
you know with a small buying some of you

1416
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:31,700
know yeah at the distance but to

1417
01:02:38,290 --> 01:02:35,810
actually crush it to a forest and then

1418
01:02:42,970 --> 01:02:38,300
it's obviously either exploded by the

1419
01:02:44,650 --> 01:02:42,980
way every piece of it is concave all of

1420
01:02:48,819 --> 01:02:44,660
it dislike the wonder straight flat

1421
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:48,829
piece and he shows this one curve all

1422
01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:49,640
Curtin

1423
01:02:55,210 --> 01:02:52,040
but all of it is shattered now I've had

1424
01:02:57,250 --> 01:02:55,220
a piece of this and hit with hammer and

1425
01:02:59,500 --> 01:02:57,260
stuff like that you can't shatter it is

1426
01:03:02,730 --> 01:02:59,510
it does it it doesn't shatter at all oh

1427
01:03:05,710 --> 01:03:02,740
this is chat as a metal detector

1428
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:05,720
detective oh yeah yeah the truth pours

1429
01:03:12,550 --> 01:03:09,530
over there and listen you know well

1430
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:12,560
people say to me there's no evidence the

1431
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,170
everywhere you go you give a talk and I

1432
01:03:20,589 --> 01:03:17,359
say yeah but there's no evidence you

1433
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:20,599
know well what is this yeah okay Paris

1434
01:03:25,329 --> 01:03:23,420
is what I say I still do not claim and

1435
01:03:27,970 --> 01:03:25,339
I've said this to you before I do not

1436
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:27,980
claim that this is an

1437
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:31,250
your craft I can't do that because I've

1438
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:33,530
got nothing to support it except the

1439
01:03:37,690 --> 01:03:35,570
fact that it can't be an aeroplane

1440
01:03:40,330 --> 01:03:37,700
there's one other thing I haven't told

1441
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:40,340
you about it on the other side of it

1442
01:03:46,510 --> 01:03:43,330
there's like a green colored paint and

1443
01:03:48,970 --> 01:03:46,520
the aerospace experts said he definitely

1444
01:03:54,130 --> 01:03:48,980
can't be often aeroplane Merced white is

1445
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:54,140
because the paint is not aerodynamic now

1446
01:03:58,930 --> 01:03:56,810
I didn't know yard well if they're a

1447
01:04:00,880 --> 01:03:58,940
dynamic paint but apparently this is a

1448
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:00,890
drug but if you painted an aeroplane

1449
01:04:06,130 --> 01:04:04,160
with that apparently it won't fly good

1450
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:06,140
not only that but I'm gonna tell you

1451
01:04:10,750 --> 01:04:08,570
what that what the experts told me what

1452
01:04:12,220 --> 01:04:10,760
surprised me but there's a price not

1453
01:04:14,530 --> 01:04:12,230
only that's not the honeycomb pattern of

1454
01:04:17,470 --> 01:04:14,540
it doesn't look very aerodynamic but you

1455
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:17,480
would create drug friction yeah I don't

1456
01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:19,490
think that's the outside part of it you

1457
01:04:23,230 --> 01:04:20,990
don't know no I think that the other

1458
01:04:26,590 --> 01:04:23,240
side is the outside part I have this

1459
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:26,600
sandwich yeah which is on this little

1460
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:27,910
sling on the outside

1461
01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:32,570
no that's the the honeycomb which was on

1462
01:04:36,099 --> 01:04:34,700
top of here oh right

1463
01:04:37,630 --> 01:04:36,109
and then there's other piece of melon

1464
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:37,640
layer on top yeah there's another piece

1465
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,650
of metal on the top of that you can see

1466
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:41,119
the honeycomb so it was somewhat

1467
01:04:46,510 --> 01:04:43,730
sandwiched between two pieces of metal

1468
01:04:49,870 --> 01:04:46,520
given it enormous strength but more

1469
01:04:52,450 --> 01:04:49,880
light as a feather but not strong enough

1470
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:52,460
to with some hitting a lot of profit

1471
01:05:00,670 --> 01:04:54,170
reason I'm not sure that the it in the

1472
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:00,680
trees broke the the craft right I'm

1473
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:03,050
pretty sure that it caused an explosion

1474
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:06,170
or an implosion I don't know which when

1475
01:05:12,010 --> 01:05:08,600
they take the trees I think that the

1476
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:12,020
pressure - inside the vessel or the

1477
01:05:16,540 --> 01:05:13,520
outside pressure you know whether the

1478
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:16,550
lack of of course the the disintegration

1479
01:05:20,349 --> 01:05:18,650
I don't believe that it in the trees

1480
01:05:23,890 --> 01:05:20,359
brought this stuff up because you can't

1481
01:05:25,330 --> 01:05:23,900
break it up with AMA so I think that

1482
01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:25,340
what happened is it I think it struck

1483
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:28,790
the trees and perhaps caused the an air

1484
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:32,240
leak or you know something took to the

1485
01:05:38,830 --> 01:05:36,230
structure of it which then allowed to

1486
01:05:42,130 --> 01:05:38,840
the air light to escape all in

1487
01:05:44,350 --> 01:05:42,140
I used to do repair toes I'm into

1488
01:05:45,940 --> 01:05:44,360
electronics and things and if you picked

1489
01:05:47,890 --> 01:05:45,950
a television to know the television

1490
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:47,900
tubes that used to be if you pick one up

1491
01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:50,810
by the neck right handed it could snap

1492
01:05:57,070 --> 01:05:54,460
it's okay if it's a bloody body

1493
01:05:59,230 --> 01:05:57,080
the glass was immediately it comes as a

1494
01:06:01,060 --> 01:05:59,240
vacuum oh well I believe I entered and

1495
01:06:03,790 --> 01:06:01,070
it will suck stick to your lungs and so

1496
01:06:05,980 --> 01:06:03,800
called opieop on really dangers you

1497
01:06:07,870 --> 01:06:05,990
start to tap on all the zeros and that

1498
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:07,880
the air but it takes five it's five

1499
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:10,430
minutes for the air Shh

1500
01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:13,130
for the air to go in and I think what's

1501
01:06:17,650 --> 01:06:14,540
happened dear either they were on the

1502
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:17,660
high pressure inside you know and that

1503
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:19,850
once you affected the structure of it it

1504
01:06:24,130 --> 01:06:21,950
went bang like a balloon room yelp when